Cliff Lonsdale  0:00  
This, this is a this is a real problem among the suicide prevention community because there are advocates in there who say stop doing stories about people who killed themselves and do stories about people who didn't kill themselves, because that will send the right message. Well, I'm sorry, but you know, stories about people who didn't kill themselves and thought, just on their own don't cut it. They do not get the attention that they that's required to make a difference here.

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